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March 28[edit]

Greetings,

Intermittently I follow sphere of Atheism related sources. Some sources show 1st April as Atheist Day since last few years 23rd March seems being celebrated Atheist Day. But I am still not clear enough since when and Who started celebrating Atheist Day , since which year and which one is real day of Atheists? and why did they prefer to choose that day (date)?

Bookku, ‘Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge’ (talk) 10:52, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Atheist day doesn’t have a lot of well-known support in the U.S.; it appears instead the bigger day (in the U.S. at least) is the National Day of Reason. I’m not sure about other countries. —Jayron32 11:07, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

«I was an atheist for a while, but I gave it up. No holidays!» — Henny Youngman. Maybe he spoke too soon? —<-Baseball Bugs ^{What’s up, Doc?} carrots-> 11:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Every Day is an Atheist Holiday!  —Lambiam 12:43, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The symbol of the 23 March version of Atheism Day may have been designed by a heptapod. The proclamation of this day seems to have been in 2018. The atheist website hosting this was launched in 2012, originally only advertizing merch.^[1] This is meant to be a worldwide thing. The April 1st version is labelled «National Atheist Day» and appears to be specific to the US. Reportedly, it started out as a joke in 2003.^[2] Before today I had not heard of either.  —Lambiam 13:11, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Where are you getting 2018 from? That torpedoes my theory.

Theory (AKA OR): March 23 2019 was the date when the Syrian Democratic Forces declared victory over ISIS. Atheist day appears to be of particular interest to ex-muslims whose lives are at risk if they come out as atheists. Searching the web for «atheist day 2018» doesn’t give any results mentioning March 23 2018, but «atheist day 2019» appears on some webpages. So, this event could explain the choice of March 23, but I have no source to cite. Edit: confirmation that «first ever» March 23 atheist day was in 2019. And the day was initiated by an international ex-Muslim coalition.  Card Zero  (talk) 13:31, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The web page announcing the «global event», proclaiming, «We atheists and atheist allies hereby declare that from now on, March 23rd is Atheist Day», was first archived on 27 March 2018.^[3] The day is announced on the website’s home page on 19 February 2019.^[4] No explanation for the choice of date is offered.  —Lambiam 16:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

OK, next theory: it’s the anniversary of the execution of Bhagat Singh, who wrote Why I Am an Atheist in 1930. Theory three: it’s to do with the alledged 23% of the world’s population who are non-religious, or 23% of the US population. Yes, I know, these are pretty untestable theories and not worth the pixels they’re written in. Theory four: because it didn’t conflict with any other celebration. (Not sure who Khadra might be.) Of course it does conflict with several — it’s Pakistan Day, Promised Messiah Day, Bolivian Day of the Sea, Family Day in South Africa, and I think possibly Puppy Day, but we are awash with days these days.  Card Zero  (talk) 16:58, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There have been Indian precursors, which had a connection to the execution of Bhagat Singh.^[5] While this does not establish a connection with the global event, it makes it more plausible.  —Lambiam 23:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Intriguing. Though Bhagat Singh was atheist was not executed for his atheism. Quite likely the case of Indian atheists banking on Bhagat Singh’s popularity in India. As of now connection with the global event, if any, seems unclear. Thanks Bookku, ‘Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge’ (talk) 07:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Lambiam While searching if any follow up events happened in India on Atheist Day, I ended up on some thing entirely different International Atheism Solidarity Day. The Hindi Wikipedia has a translated article about the same from 2012 (But seems unclear it is translation of which original source). And a different ribbon image as symbol. Again for that too I did not get much clue.

Bookku, ‘Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge’ (talk) 08:43, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It seems very similar to the text found here.  —Lambiam 09:36, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In Newspapers.com, the earliest reference to National Atheist’s Day for April 1 (or any day) that I’m seeing, occurs in 1989, in a Lincoln, NE newspaper ad ridiculing the idea and inviting people to a church. —<-Baseball Bugs ^{What’s up, Doc?} carrots-> 15:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It took me a while to view the «symbol of the 23 March version of Atheism Day» (since it’s 600kb and 2000×2000 pixels), but when I did, it was an obvious rip-off of the Zen calligraphic circle symbol. I’m not sure how changing the color from black to green transforms a Buddhist symbol into an atheist symbol… AnonMoos (talk) 08:30, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Given the color scheme, it looks more like a Nazi symbol. —<-Baseball Bugs ^{What’s up, Doc?} carrots-> 08:54, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not a Zen symbol but an awareness ribbon, the origin of which (in its present form) was the Atlanta murders of 1979-1981 — see our list of awareness ribbons. British politicians have recently been wearing blue and yellow ribbon loops in support of Ukraine. Alansplodge (talk) 11:49, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Baseball_bugs — I really don’t know what Nazi symbol you have in mind, since the Nazis were not into irregular quasi-circular brushstrokes. There is no single color which by itself has Nazi connotations (there is no such thing as «Nazi black» or «Nazi green»[sic]).

Alansplodge — An awareness ribbon looks like a short length of ribbon folded over itself once. It does not resemble an irregular quasi-circular East Asian calligraphic brushstroke, the way that https://i.imgur.com/UbsXZtJ.png does… AnonMoos (talk) 12:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Apologies, I was looking at the posted image and misunderstood your point. Alansplodge (talk) 12:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Enso.  Card Zero  (talk) 12:40, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nazi flag colors: red, black, white. —<-Baseball Bugs ^{What’s up, Doc?} carrots-> 21:41, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What the heck does that have to do with https://i.imgur.com/UbsXZtJ.png which is green on transparent??? And if everything with black ink on a whitish background (such as the Zen symbol) is «Nazi», then 99% percent of books ever published are «Nazi»! Not to mention that there ain’t no red involved. If all you can do is make irrelevant remarks dragging in non-existent Nazi connections , then you might not bother to comment at all. AnonMoos (talk) 23:52, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For me at least, the association of red and black connotates the novel of the same name by Stendahl, a line in the song Ne me quitte pas by Jacques Brel and possibly anarchist symbolism, certainly not Nazis. To each their own, I suppose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E34:EF5E:4640:9C5D:1CFB:8247:3745 (talk) 16:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Finnish Wikipedia seem to have an article Ateistien symbolit The new symbol still may have time to be entered there.

Bookku, ‘Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge’ (talk) 12:32, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Copy right over Circular symbol?[edit]

The link to the green circular symbol says This symbol is not trademarked. but does not talk about copyright.

Any chances Wikimedia Commons may accept it under fair use?

Bookku, ‘Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge’ (talk) 13:02, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here it is (in black not green) for sale as an art print: Circle print, Scandinavian print, Scandinavian, Nordic, Trendy print… and here are many other instances of the same circle. I wonder which is the original? Perhaps it will turn out to be clip art. It occurs to me that any loosely painted green circle is still the same symbol, so it could be recreated and thus avoid copyright problems. But Commons already has most of the symbol uploaded.  Card Zero  (talk) 13:48, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It should be noted (NOT LEGAL ADVICE), that usually designs consisting of basic shapes and typeset text is not normally subject to copyright as a work of art, and short phrases, such as the name of an organization or the like, are not normally copyrightable as text. A circle with a few words in it is usually below the threshold of originality that is necessary for copyright to be applied. For example, the Bass Brewery logo is not copyrightable, because it consists solely of a basic shape (a triangle) and text (the word Bass written in script logo). It is protected as a trademark, which is just means that other people cannot use it, or a mark like it (a red triangle) to label bottles of beer intended for sale. —Jayron32 17:47, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This type of circle is called a «Zen circle».^[6] The selfsame image as the Atheist Day symbol is called a «Zen circle» here. See also the article Hitsuzendō.  —Lambiam 23:59, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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March 28[edit]

Greetings,

Intermittently I follow sphere of Atheism related sources. Some sources show 1st April as Atheist Day since last few years 23rd March seems being celebrated Atheist Day. But I am still not clear enough since when and Who started celebrating Atheist Day , since which year and which one is real day of Atheists? and why did they prefer to choose that day (date)?

Bookku, ‘Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge’ (talk) 10:52, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Atheist day doesn’t have a lot of well-known support in the U.S.; it appears instead the bigger day (in the U.S. at least) is the National Day of Reason. I’m not sure about other countries. —Jayron32 11:07, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

«I was an atheist for a while, but I gave it up. No holidays!» — Henny Youngman. Maybe he spoke too soon? —<-Baseball Bugs ^{What’s up, Doc?} carrots-> 11:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Every Day is an Atheist Holiday!  —Lambiam 12:43, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The symbol of the 23 March version of Atheism Day may have been designed by a heptapod. The proclamation of this day seems to have been in 2018. The atheist website hosting this was launched in 2012, originally only advertizing merch.^[1] This is meant to be a worldwide thing. The April 1st version is labelled «National Atheist Day» and appears to be specific to the US. Reportedly, it started out as a joke in 2003.^[2] Before today I had not heard of either.  —Lambiam 13:11, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Where are you getting 2018 from? That torpedoes my theory.

Theory (AKA OR): March 23 2019 was the date when the Syrian Democratic Forces declared victory over ISIS. Atheist day appears to be of particular interest to ex-muslims whose lives are at risk if they come out as atheists. Searching the web for «atheist day 2018» doesn’t give any results mentioning March 23 2018, but «atheist day 2019» appears on some webpages. So, this event could explain the choice of March 23, but I have no source to cite. Edit: confirmation that «first ever» March 23 atheist day was in 2019. And the day was initiated by an international ex-Muslim coalition.  Card Zero  (talk) 13:31, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The web page announcing the «global event», proclaiming, «We atheists and atheist allies hereby declare that from now on, March 23rd is Atheist Day», was first archived on 27 March 2018.^[3] The day is announced on the website’s home page on 19 February 2019.^[4] No explanation for the choice of date is offered.  —Lambiam 16:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

OK, next theory: it’s the anniversary of the execution of Bhagat Singh, who wrote Why I Am an Atheist in 1930. Theory three: it’s to do with the alledged 23% of the world’s population who are non-religious, or 23% of the US population. Yes, I know, these are pretty untestable theories and not worth the pixels they’re written in. Theory four: because it didn’t conflict with any other celebration. (Not sure who Khadra might be.) Of course it does conflict with several — it’s Pakistan Day, Promised Messiah Day, Bolivian Day of the Sea, Family Day in South Africa, and I think possibly Puppy Day, but we are awash with days these days.  Card Zero  (talk) 16:58, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There have been Indian precursors, which had a connection to the execution of Bhagat Singh.^[5] While this does not establish a connection with the global event, it makes it more plausible.  —Lambiam 23:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Intriguing. Though Bhagat Singh was atheist was not executed for his atheism. Quite likely the case of Indian atheists banking on Bhagat Singh’s popularity in India. As of now connection with the global event, if any, seems unclear. Thanks Bookku, ‘Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge’ (talk) 07:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Lambiam While searching if any follow up events happened in India on Atheist Day, I ended up on some thing entirely different International Atheism Solidarity Day. The Hindi Wikipedia has a translated article about the same from 2012 (But seems unclear it is translation of which original source). And a different ribbon image as symbol. Again for that too I did not get much clue.

Bookku, ‘Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge’ (talk) 08:43, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It seems very similar to the text found here.  —Lambiam 09:36, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In Newspapers.com, the earliest reference to National Atheist’s Day for April 1 (or any day) that I’m seeing, occurs in 1989, in a Lincoln, NE newspaper ad ridiculing the idea and inviting people to a church. —<-Baseball Bugs ^{What’s up, Doc?} carrots-> 15:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It took me a while to view the «symbol of the 23 March version of Atheism Day» (since it’s 600kb and 2000×2000 pixels), but when I did, it was an obvious rip-off of the Zen calligraphic circle symbol. I’m not sure how changing the color from black to green transforms a Buddhist symbol into an atheist symbol… AnonMoos (talk) 08:30, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Given the color scheme, it looks more like a Nazi symbol. —<-Baseball Bugs ^{What’s up, Doc?} carrots-> 08:54, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not a Zen symbol but an awareness ribbon, the origin of which (in its present form) was the Atlanta murders of 1979-1981 — see our list of awareness ribbons. British politicians have recently been wearing blue and yellow ribbon loops in support of Ukraine. Alansplodge (talk) 11:49, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Baseball_bugs — I really don’t know what Nazi symbol you have in mind, since the Nazis were not into irregular quasi-circular brushstrokes. There is no single color which by itself has Nazi connotations (there is no such thing as «Nazi black» or «Nazi green»[sic]).

Alansplodge — An awareness ribbon looks like a short length of ribbon folded over itself once. It does not resemble an irregular quasi-circular East Asian calligraphic brushstroke, the way that https://i.imgur.com/UbsXZtJ.png does… AnonMoos (talk) 12:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Apologies, I was looking at the posted image and misunderstood your point. Alansplodge (talk) 12:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Enso.  Card Zero  (talk) 12:40, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nazi flag colors: red, black, white. —<-Baseball Bugs ^{What’s up, Doc?} carrots-> 21:41, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What the heck does that have to do with https://i.imgur.com/UbsXZtJ.png which is green on transparent??? And if everything with black ink on a whitish background (such as the Zen symbol) is «Nazi», then 99% percent of books ever published are «Nazi»! Not to mention that there ain’t no red involved. If all you can do is make irrelevant remarks dragging in non-existent Nazi connections , then you might not bother to comment at all. AnonMoos (talk) 23:52, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For me at least, the association of red and black connotates the novel of the same name by Stendahl, a line in the song Ne me quitte pas by Jacques Brel and possibly anarchist symbolism, certainly not Nazis. To each their own, I suppose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E34:EF5E:4640:9C5D:1CFB:8247:3745 (talk) 16:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Finnish Wikipedia seem to have an article Ateistien symbolit The new symbol still may have time to be entered there.

Bookku, ‘Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge’ (talk) 12:32, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Copy right over Circular symbol?[edit]

The link to the green circular symbol says This symbol is not trademarked. but does not talk about copyright.

Any chances Wikimedia Commons may accept it under fair use?

Bookku, ‘Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge’ (talk) 13:02, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here it is (in black not green) for sale as an art print: Circle print, Scandinavian print, Scandinavian, Nordic, Trendy print… and here are many other instances of the same circle. I wonder which is the original? Perhaps it will turn out to be clip art. It occurs to me that any loosely painted green circle is still the same symbol, so it could be recreated and thus avoid copyright problems. But Commons already has most of the symbol uploaded.  Card Zero  (talk) 13:48, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It should be noted (NOT LEGAL ADVICE), that usually designs consisting of basic shapes and typeset text is not normally subject to copyright as a work of art, and short phrases, such as the name of an organization or the like, are not normally copyrightable as text. A circle with a few words in it is usually below the threshold of originality that is necessary for copyright to be applied. For example, the Bass Brewery logo is not copyrightable, because it consists solely of a basic shape (a triangle) and text (the word Bass written in script logo). It is protected as a trademark, which is just means that other people cannot use it, or a mark like it (a red triangle) to label bottles of beer intended for sale. —Jayron32 17:47, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This type of circle is called a «Zen circle».^[6] The selfsame image as the Atheist Day symbol is called a «Zen circle» here. See also the article Hitsuzendō.  —Lambiam 23:59, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Для некоторых христиан атеисты являются главными грешниками, однако, основная цель атеизма — вера в научные факты и четкие доказательства существования Высших сил.

1 апреля в народе негласно отмечают День атеиста. Это индивидуальный праздник, который в шутку, а иногда и очень серьезно отмечают люди, которые отвергают существование различных богов и слепой религиозной веры, как таковой.

Кто такие атеисты?

Часто значение слова преподносится различными религиозными течениями в негативном ключе, поскольку многие люди считают атеистов противоборцами Высших сил, грешными людьми, а отсутствие их веры в Бога — проделками Дьявола. Однако, это далеко не так.

Тогда, когда в умах верующих есть постоянное понимание, что от Высшей силы ничего не скрыть, и каждое действие твоё учтено, атеисты понимают, что можно скрыть всё от других. Но также хорошо они понимают, что от себя ничего не скроешь, и потом с этим придётся жить, раскаиваться, выкручиваться, лгать, рвать связи.

Атеист — это человек, который предпочитает материалистичный взгляд на мир, доказательную базу и научные опровержения слепой веры сказанному и принятому в какой-то системе. Любое происшествие и мотивацию атеист будет толковать с точки зрения личных побуждений личности, причинно-следственных связей и физических закономерностей мира, науки, вместо объяснения влиянием духов, загробной жизни и других нематериальных материй.

В своем проявлении атеисты подразделяются на сильных, слабых, негативных и позитивных. Так, примером слабого атеизма может служить агностицизм, когда боги не отрицаются вообще, но ставятся под сомнение, поскольку человек не видит ничего реально доказывающего их существование. Сильный же атеист будет настолько уверен в материалистичности окружающего мира, что любые попытки показать необъяснимые вещи будут встречать жёсткую критику.

Попадут ли атеисты в рай или ад?

Говоря о том, куда попадет атеист после смерти, в ад или рай, можно с утверждением сказать, что точного ответа на данный вопрос нет. С одной стороны религия предполагает, что любой человек предстает перед Высшим Судом и отправляется в ад или рай по делам своим при жизни, а с другой — некрещенный и неверующий человек автоматически отправляется в ад. Потому на этот вопрос священнослужители часто отвечают, что решать подобные моменты только во власти Господа Бога.

Кто из знаменитых людей является атеистом?

В России и мире достаточно большое количество атеистов, которые склонны в больше степени доверять науке и своему разуму, доказательной базе. Так, например, в список атеистов вошли следующие личности:

• Александр Невзоров;
• Кира Найтли;
• Анджелина Джоли;
• Брэд Питт;
• Хью Лори;
• Дэниел Рэдклифф;
• Морган Фриман;
• Владимир Познер;
• Михаил Прохоров;
• Бари Алибасов.

Источник

Среди атеистов идут споры о том, должны ли они праздновать Рождество или нет. Некоторые делают это потому, что они не «атеисты». Некоторые делают это, чтобы не раскачивать лодку среди религиозных членов семьи. Некоторые делают это, потому что они всегда имеют и не хотят меняться — или просто наслаждаются праздником.

Другие утверждают, что его следует заменить более светским праздником, а третьи считают, что все такие праздники должны игнорироваться атеистами. В то время как это личное решение, которое каждый атеист должен принять для себя, вот несколько моментов для атеистов, рассматривающих, как обращаться с Рождеством.

Рождество — христианский праздник

По определению, Рождество празднует рождение Иисуса, буквально, это месса Христа. Многие атеисты не верят, что Иисус существовал, и те, кто не считает его божественным. Никакие атеисты не христиане, так зачем участвовать в таком принципиально христианском празднике?

Празднование Рождества увековечивает мифы об Америке?

Среди проблем, созданных атеистами, празднующими Рождество, является то, что консервативные евангельские христиане получают поддержку в своем аргументе о том, что Америка по сути является христианской нацией. Чем популярнее и важнее христианские праздники в Америке, тем легче утверждать, что в христианстве есть нечто фундаментальное для американской культуры.

Элементы Рождества язычны

Хотя Рождество традиционно является христианским праздником, большинство элементов современных рождественских праздников действительно языческие. Но атеисты не более язычники, чем христиане. Атеисты не поддерживают другие древние языческие верования, так почему же так поступают с теми, которые оказываются популярными на Рождество? В древнем язычестве нет ничего более светского, чем современное христианство.

Почему бы не отметить другие религиозные праздники?

Если атеист удивлен возможностью не праздновать Рождество, им следует подумать, почему они не отмечают другие религиозные праздники. Немногие атеисты делают что-нибудь для мусульманского праздника Рамадан или христианского праздника Страстной пятницы. Зачем делать исключение на Рождество? Основными причинами, по-видимому, является культурный импульс: у всех есть, и у большинства людей есть вся жизнь, поэтому трудно измениться ».

После того, как вопрос о праздновании Рождества введен, следующим логическим шагом является вопрос о том, должны ли атеисты отмечать многие или какие-либо традиционно отмечаемые праздники. Некоторые атеисты утверждают, что гуманный праздник должен быть глобальным и универсальным, одинаково актуальным для всех людей, независимо от их культурного наследия или места проживания.

Одной из возможных причин празднования Рождества атеистами является то, что со временем оно становится все более секуляризированным. Участие атеистов в Рождестве на самом деле помогает служить делу удаления его из различных христианских и языческих корней.

Будущее атеистов и Рождество

Отношения между атеистами и Рождеством сегодня сложны. Некоторые атеисты будут продолжать праздновать его полностью, некоторые будут отмечать только порции, а другие отвергнут его — некоторые из них создают альтернативные праздники, а наименьшее меньшинство вообще не беспокоится о каких-либо праздниках ».

До тех пор, пока атеисты стремятся быть принятыми и «нормальными» в Америке, они будут стремиться избегать действий, которые приведут к тому, что они будут выделены как другие или странные. Сегодня нет ничего более американского, чем празднование Рождества, поэтому атеисты, которые хотят вписаться, по крайней мере, сделают что-нибудь во время Рождества ».

Тот факт, что Рождество стало настолько секуляризованным, также, вероятно, не позволит многим атеистам отказаться от Рождества. Если бы день сохранил значительный христианский элемент, застенчивые атеисты были бы более сочувствующими аргументам против Рождества. Светский праздник легко отпраздновать светским людям.